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	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander Original posting	posted 8/13/2004 19:08 PST                   Ok so I have a few questions on Random Missions : 1- mission_type = DestroyMission, 0.000000, 0.112387, 30 The 2 numbers after Destroy Mission mean the difficulty based on the RankDiff.ini numbers, but there are some numbers that are not listed there and that are used for Random Missions. Where are these listed? Is there any logic behind these numbers? And how can I know what level is 0.112387 referencing to? minimum lvl 1 maximum lvl X... 2- How can I change the number of NPCs during Random Missions so that I could have 2 waves of 25 NPCs per wave? 3- How can I change the money given by that mission with 25 NPCs so that it makes 1M each time? But not changing the given $$ of other missions. 4- Will the rank of amission automatically be levelled up if it gives 1M $ and has 2 waves of 25 NPCs? If I got other questions I'll post these after.
	firebase Lt. Colonel	posted 8/13/2004 22:28 PST                 actually you are looking at the wrong file... Try looking at Diff2Money.ini in the RandomMissions folder... this is the one that the DestroyMission uses. a message from firebase... [Diff2Money Diff2Money = 0, 1800 < Level 0 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 0.082100, 2200 < Level 1 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 0.112380, 2655 < Level 1 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 0.205130, 3219 < Level 2 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 0.351000, 3919 < Level 3 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 0.480490, 4792 < Level 4 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 0.657740, 5887 < Level 5 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 0.900380, 7264 < Level 6 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 1.232530, 9001 < Level 7 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 1.687200, 11201 < Level 8 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 2.309610, 13994 < Level 9 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 3.161630, 17551 < Level 10 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 4.327960, 22093 < Level 11 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 5.924540, 27904 < Level 12 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 8.110100, 35356 < Level 13 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 11.101920, 44928 < Level 14 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 15.197410, 57246 < Level 15 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 20.803740, 73118 < Level 16 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 28.478239, 93597 < Level 17 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 38.983860, 120051 < Level 18 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 53.365002, 146192 < Level 19 RM and its payoff Diff2Money = 73.051361, 190050 Diff2Money = 100.000000, 247065 Edited by - Sun Striker on 8/13/2004 10:36:12 PM
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/14/2004 05:51 PST                    If this file is the one used by DestroyMission, does that mean that I could write 17.000000 and get a mission payoff of ~60k?
	Chips Admiral (Moderator)	posted 8/14/2004 06:50 PST                    DestroyMission, 0.000000, 0.112387 These two numbers are the range basically - so from difficulty 0 to difficulty 0.112387 - or around difficulty 1-3 missions IF you put 0, 100 then it would be offereing a mixture of missions from diff 1 to 43 or whatever they are - the max ones. The last is the weight in offering on the boards.
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/14/2004 15:36 PST                    I still have these questions as asked upper : 2- How can I change the number of NPCs during Random Missions so that I could have 2 waves of 25 NPCs per wave? 3- How can I change the money given by that mission with 25 NPCs so that it makes 1M each time? But not changing the given $$ of other missions. 4- Will the rank of amission automatically be levelled up if it gives 1M $ and has 2 waves of 25 NPCs? I've been able to change Malta so that it only gives highest missions available. But I can't get through the lvl 43 border. I also edited the BHs Formation so it has twice spots for ships, but I don't see any ship using these slots... Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/14/2004 4:02:36 PM
	Chips Admiral (Moderator)	posted 8/14/2004 16:41 PST                    NpcRank = 1, 0.009850, 0.035690, 0.077540, 0.135390, 0.209230, 0.299080, 0.404930, 0.526770 NpcRank = 2, 0.013480, 0.048860, 0.106140, 0.185330, 0.286420, 0.409410, 0.554300, 0.721100 NpcRank = 3, 0.018450, 0.066880, 0.145300, 0.253700, 0.392080, 0.560440, 0.758790, 0.987120 NpcRank = 4, 0.025260, 0.091560, 0.198900, 0.347290, 0.536720, 0.767190, 1.038700, 1.351260 NpcRank = 5, 0.034570, 0.125330, 0.272280, 0.475400, 0.734710, 1.050210, 1.421880, 1.849740 NpcRank = 6, 0.047330, 0.171570, 0.372720, 0.650780, 1.005750, 1.437630, 1.946410, 2.532110 NpcRank = 7, 0.064790, 0.234860, 0.510210, 0.890850, 1.376770, 1.967970, 2.664450, 3.466210 NpcRank = 8, 0.088690, 0.321500, 0.698430, 1.219480, 1.884660, 2.693950, 3.647360, 4.744900 NpcRank = 9, 0.121410, 0.440100, 0.956080, 1.669350, 2.579900, 3.687750, 4.992870, 6.495290 NpcRank = 10, 0.166190, 0.602450, 1.308780, 2.285170, 3.531630, 5.048160, 6.834750, 8.891400 NpcRank = 11, 0.227500, 0.824700, 1.791590, 3.128170, 4.834450, 6.910420, 9.356080, 12.171400 NpcRank = 12, 0.311430, 1.128930, 2.452510, 4.282160, 6.617880, 9.459670, 12.807500, 16.661400 NpcRank = 13, 0.426320, 1.545400, 3.357240, 5.861840, 9.059210, 12.949300, 17.532200, 22.807899 NpcRank = 14, 0.583580, 2.115490, 4.595720, 8.024280, 12.401100, 17.726299, 23.999800, 31.221701 NpcRank = 15, 0.798870, 2.895900, 6.291090, 10.984400, 16.975901, 24.265600, 32.853401, 42.739399 NpcRank = 16, 1.093570, 3.964190, 8.611870, 15.036500, 23.238300, 33.217201, 44.973000, 58.506001 NpcRank = 17, 1.496990, 5.426580, 11.788700, 20.583500, 31.811001, 45.471001, 61.563599, 80.088799 NpcRank = 18, 2.049230, 7.428450, 16.137600, 28.176800, 43.546001, 62.245201, 84.274399 NpcRank = 19, 2.805190, 10.168800, 22.090799, 38.571301, 59.610199, 85.207497 Keep adding numbers to these, like this: NpcRank = 1, 0.009850, 0.035690, 0.077540, 0.135390, 0.209230, 0.299080, 0.404930, 0.526770 Becomes NpcRank = 1, 0.009850, 0.035690, 0.055690, 0.077540, 0.10000, 0.135390, 0.175390, 0.191390, 0.209230, 0.259230, 0.299080, 0.359080, 0.404930, 0.526770 That gives more fighters in missions - you will get waves of fighters in large large numbers Edited by - Chips on 8/14/2004 4:42:08 PM
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/14/2004 17:46 PST                    Thanks for the reply Chips but what numbers to I add? Any I want from 0 to 100? How can I set where to change of wave? Like there are 25 NPCs, then u get to another waypoint and get 25 others? Finally, why do I see a max of 8 numbers while that some missions have like 17 NPCs (In 2 Waves)? Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/16/2004 12:48:09 PM
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/16/2004 07:04 PST                    BUMP
	LordFjord Sqdr. Commander	posted 8/17/2004 05:36 PST                       the rank2diff file defines how many NPCs have what diffclass. the rank (up to 19 for fighters in vanilla FL) defines what ships are spawned (see npcships.ini). rank2diff then sets the overall mission difficulty. that are the 2 numbers that are given as a range in mbases.ini. diff2money is responsible for the payout of the mission. its a bit complex but easy to understand once u modded every part of this as i did tough to balance though. an example: we have a NPCship, lets say a light fighter with rank 4 in npcships: npc_class = lawful, class_fighter, d4 ok, in rank2diff we have NpcRank = 4, 0.025260, 0.091560, 0.198900, 0.347290, 0.536720, 0.767190, 1.038700, 1.351260 so 8 of these will have a diff of 1.351260. in mbases we have: mission_type = DestroyMission, 0.112387, 5.924538, 100 lets pretend our mission spawns 3 waves of 8 fighters -> we take the 1.351260 and multiply with 3 -> 4.053780 this is within the range we gave in mbases so this scenario could actually happen. payment for this would be: diff2money: Diff2Money = 3.161630, 17551 Diff2Money = 4.327960, 22093 Diff2Money = 5.924540, 27904 i took the nearest entries, i think the exact payment is interpolated but in this case it would be ~21k i hope this was somewhat understandable. Fjord --------------------------------- Excelcia Mod Leading Developer
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/17/2004 07:36 PST                    Thanks for the tip! I tried to do it logically without any good result... Here are my files : mBases.ini (Malta Entry) : [MVendor num_offers = 5, 5 [BaseFaction faction = fc_ou_grp weight = 100 offers_missions = true mission_type = DestroyMission, 90.000000, 100.000000, 100 NpcRankToDiff.ini ( on 1 line each NPC Rank = # ) : NpcRank = 1, 2.805190, 4.000000, 6.000000, 8.000000, 10.168800, 14.000000, 18.000000, 22.090799, 26.000000, 30.000000, 34.000000, 38.571301, 42.000000, 46.000000, 50.000000, 54.000000, 59.610199, 63.000000, 70.000000, 75.000000, 80.000000, 85.207497 [... NpcRank = 19, 2.805190, 4.000000, 6.000000, 8.000000, 10.168800, 14.000000, 18.000000, 22.090799, 26.000000, 30.000000, 34.000000, 38.571301, 42.000000, 46.000000, 50.000000, 54.000000, 59.610199, 63.000000, 70.000000, 75.000000, 80.000000, 85.207497 Diff2Money.ini : [Diff2Money Diff2Money = 0, 1800 Diff2Money = 0.082100, 2200 Diff2Money = 0.112380, 2655 Diff2Money = 0.205130, 3219 Diff2Money = 0.351000, 3919 Diff2Money = 0.480490, 4792 Diff2Money = 0.657740, 5887 Diff2Money = 0.900380, 7264 Diff2Money = 1.232530, 9001 Diff2Money = 1.687200, 11201 Diff2Money = 2.309610, 13994 Diff2Money = 3.161630, 17551 Diff2Money = 4.327960, 22093 Diff2Money = 5.924540, 27904 Diff2Money = 8.110100, 35356 Diff2Money = 11.101920, 44928 Diff2Money = 15.197410, 57246 Diff2Money = 20.803740, 73118 Diff2Money = 28.478239, 93597 Diff2Money = 38.983860, 120051 Diff2Money = 53.365002, 146192 Diff2Money = 73.051361, 190050 Diff2Money = 100.000000, 1000000 Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/18/2004 5:56:45 AM Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/18/2004 6:43:22 AM Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/19/2004 6:59:38 AM
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/17/2004 14:36 PST                    Ok now I can get the missions and they pay about 900k but I still get normal number of NPCs, which is about a total of 20. But me I want to get 25 NPCs per WAVE! I want that when I arrive at the first waypoint, I get 25 BHs on my back!
	LordFjord Sqdr. Commander	posted 8/18/2004 00:19 PST                       what have you changed to the above settings to make it work? the only thing i can spot at 1st quick sight is that the diff2money entries dont go up to rank 300 as ur missions do. --------------------------------- Excelcia Mod Leading Developer
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/18/2004 05:56 PST                    I just updated my ini on my older post.
	LordFjord Sqdr. Commander	posted 8/18/2004 06:03 PST                       ah, i can see it now (probably). change back the offered mission diffrange to 200, 300 add additional lines to diff2money - over the 100 up to 300 - with the cash that you want them to pay out. i think the mission didnt appear because no payment was defined for the range of 200-300. -> ... ... Diff2Money = 38.983860, 120051 Diff2Money = 53.365002, 146192 Diff2Money = 73.051361, 190050 Diff2Money = 100.000000, 1000000 Diff2Money = 150.000000, 1500000 Diff2Money = 200.000000, 2000000 ... up to 300 Fjord --------------------------------- Excelcia Mod Leading Developer
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/18/2004 06:45 PST                    Updated again. Still doesn't work, get no mission... COuld it be because the NPC Rank is 19? Would be too hard NPC for Malta?
	LordFjord Sqdr. Commander	posted 8/19/2004 00:13 PST                       hmmm, maybe you need to change a few more ranks in the rank2diff file. give rank 14 and above higher numbers. in alpha you have rank18 encounters usually. maybe missions only spawn ships that are also in hte zones that overlap with the vignette zones. but this is just a guess. give the lower ones also a bit higher numbers, not just for 19. Fjord --------------------------------- Excelcia Mod Leading Developer
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/19/2004 06:55 PST                    I did this for ranks 1 to 19 I didn't work, but then I decided to change the inis again. See the modified versions up. And it works! Only thing... I get 4 Waves of 13 fighters,,, but these are Pirhanas!! I'll try to lower that to 2 Waves of 26 fighters (How crazy I am...) and to change that to HH! EDIT : After some tests, it looks like I can't get HH with my big missions, and that the harder are the ships, the less I get. What can I do? Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/19/2004 7:12:30 AM
	LordFjord Sqdr. Commander	posted 8/19/2004 07:16 PST                       hmm, you lowered the max rank to 100 again. why? thats why only piranhas appear. try a bigger range. you know that it works for 90 to100. try 90 to 500 for example. dont forget to update diff2money! otherwise, i have no idea. this is a bit weird. --------------------------------- Excelcia Mod Leading Developer
	FriendlyFire Lt. Commander	posted 8/19/2004 07:20 PST                    Well, I though that the mBase Missions numbers work in %. So 100 is the toughest mission of the game, 100% of thoughness, and 0 would be the easiest. I'll try what you said again Fjord, and btw thanx alot, I wouldn't have done that without you. EDIT : I tried with 100 to 300, and I only get 100 missions. 1M exactly, but not more. I really think it's in %.. I though about something : I'll make a new faction with Eagles only, so that there would only be these spawning. EDIT AGAIN : I removed everything to BH except HH and it works. I got caught in a big Cross, it was crazy! Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/19/2004 7:25:24 AM Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/19/2004 11:03:13 AM Edited by - Friendly_Fire on 8/19/2004 11:13:10 AM
	LordFjord Sqdr. Commander	posted 8/19/2004 23:44 PST                       so far i was always convinced that its not % but absolute values, but i havent experimented with missions of that high difficulty yet. but this might explain a few troubles i got in the past. but where is the max diff then taken? is 100 the max or where do you "set" the 100% value? maybe diff is capped at 100. Fjord --------------------------------- Excelcia Mod Leading Developer
	w0dk4 1st Lieutenant	posted 12/26/2004 12:26 PST                 Well....! @FriendlyFire I got it working with ~16 Fighters per wave (!), I tried it with 25 for you, but it crashed. I guess I messed up the formation... Anyways: The numbers after the NPC Rank in NPCRankToDiff.ini are not standalone values!! -> You have to sum them. The solution for your problem has to look like this: NpcRank = 19, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 0.000001, 95.444444 I worked on a formation with 25 "slots" but it didnt work... well I guess a made a mistake.. But in fact another limit for the spawning fighters is the formation. It has to have enough slots for the ships, so that they are able to spawn. Based on that theorie (the numbers sum up) one can finally understand the following phenomenon: Give a base a mission range from 90-100. Now if you look at the vanilla FL NPCRankToDiff.ini there are no formations allowed, because the highest %-diff number is 85.207497 (thinking the values do not connect to each other). So, adding those numbers u get the following: There will be no missions with a wave of more than 4 lvl 19 fighters (2.805190 + 10.168800 + 22.090799+ 38.571301 + 59.610199 -> 131 -> more than 100% -> invalid... or, well did someone see more than 4 lvl19 ships in a std. fl mission...? (except assasinate missions)) And this theorie also explains why there can be waves with lvl 16-18 fighters (lvl16: 1.093570 + 3.964190 + 8.611870 + 15.036500 +23.238300 + 33.217201 + 44.973000 + 58.506001) and so on... So, if you want to make missions less randomized, you have to regard this important note. (or better: i think the devs solved it this way to get a better chance-system) Sorry for my bad english...
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